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FYI the new firmware for the Sony (PRS-505) which'll be provided on the UK released models supports ePub too and reflowable PDF, so it may be worth taking that into account
#1 Simon Dick on 2008-08-08 11:43 (Reply)
Thanks for the review pookey, that's great. I've been toying with getting one of these, and that there is so much pre-copyright material available for these devices makes them worthwhile on their own, in my view.

The most important thing about this product, from what I can tell, is that it is not heading down the DRM route despite the commercial pressures that encourage the likes of Sony to make, frankly, devices that operate in their best interests (not their customers).

I think you're right that things are going to change dramatically - as devices like these are docked and an internet connection is present, news and other timely information could be downloaded automatically. Whether people will tolerate person-specific advertising is a good question: I know I won't, but will others generally?

The other thing that's interesting here is that we will be paying a price just for digital data - no physical product. I guess people have been doing this for a while now with music - but I'm rather old-school and am still attached to the idea of a tangible book or CD. If buyers feel they are getting an e-book cheaper than a paper one, they will go for it; however browsing mobipocket.com just now gave me the impression that for standard books we'd be paying much the same as we do for real books now. Will people be suspicious of this, and will this force prices to fall as PDF distribution becomes popular?

Anyway I'll keep an eye on this toy. One of these days I'll be tempted...
#2 halfer on 2008-08-08 11:53 (Reply)
You make a good point about paying no physical item. Indeed people have been doing it with music, and I wonder if the BeBook can in a way be compared to a Walkman/CD player. 15 years ago people took pride in their CD/tape collection, and when going on the move I'm sure a few people took a handful of media with them, but.. I imagine that's pretty bulky. These days, you can take 1000's of songs with you on one device, you don't get the case anymore, but you go get convenience. Of course, Sony turned the walkman into a fashion item (it's an interesting story if ever your board, they paid people to wear it on public transport to get it to sell!) and apple did the same thing with the IPod. I don't see any of the current ebook readers becoming fashionable, but they certainly have the convenience. I can now carry my bookcase around with me! Personally, I'd like to see books come with access to download it at no extra cost, or ebooks are say... 60% of the cost and you can 'upgrade' to the paper version for a charge should you want to.

As a geek I'm proud of my bookcase, and I wouldn't like to see it empty. But on the other hand, I don't want to carry heavy computer books around with me.
#2.1 Ian P. Christian (Homepage) on 2008-08-08 12:00 (Reply)
I found your review really helpful, thank you. Could I ask a question please - sorry I am not terribly technical! - the description on the mybebook.com website says it has an internal memory of 512 MB. They say this is sufficient for up to about 1000 books. I noticed on that website that to download a single book seems to be nearly 1 GB. How does this work?! Surely it is not all reliant on the SD slot as that only seems to increase it up to 4Gb max? I must have misunderstood something. Thanks.
#2.1.1 Marion on 2008-08-08 20:37 (Reply)
You have misunderstood something I'm afraid, have a look at this page for example:

http://mybebook.com/download_free_ebook/sunzi-6th-cent-b-c_ebooks/the-art-of-war/ebook10049.html

The art of war is 350kb in text, and 600 kb in PDF format, so you could indeed get about 1000 books of this size on the internal memory, and 4000 on a 4gig card! Some of my PDFs are 3 or 4 meg, but even with 512mb built in, I think there's enough.
#2.1.1.1 Ian P. Christian (Homepage) on 2008-08-08 20:45 (Reply)
Thanks for this review, it really is very helpful. I am still waiting, did talk to Bebook and they told me they would have MOBI support, but rather wait until they do. Have been using MOBI for many years on palm and CE. Also interested int he Mentor, which should be cheaper and the company have told me will do a version that supports MOBI.
#3 Tony (Homepage) on 2008-08-08 16:33 (Reply)
I must admit, I'm tempted to upgrade from my old Sony to the new PRS-505 when it comes out over here, mostly as I've already got all my books converted into LRF so it'd save me hassle (calibre is a nice Sony Reader book conversion tool!). Just went to Borders today in Oxford St, the Iliad is bigger than I realised it'd be, not much point for me, I mostly read fiction on mine.
#3.1 Simon Dick on 2008-08-08 17:37 (Reply)
Nice comment, I am almost to buy the Amazon Kindle before I search and found your blog, but I am wander is BeBook support display chinese or Japanese , this is important to me or I still only can read this kind of documents in computer or Palm.
#4 Tasuka Hsu on 2008-08-12 17:20 (Reply)
please send me a sample PDF, and I shall photograph for you!
#4.1 Ian P. Christian (Homepage) on 2008-08-12 17:24 (Reply)
BeBook is in fact just a repackaged Hanlin eReader V3 made by Chinese company Jinke. Both Chinese and Japanese are among the supported languages: http://www.jinke.com.cn/Compagesql/English/embedpro/index.asp
#4.2 Jaroslav on 2008-08-14 10:27 (Reply)
I emailed Bebook about the price of the new machine due later this year.
They expect it to be slightly higher, but not too much.
So it should be a good bit cheaper than the Iliad. I'm happy to wait a few months for it with the added features.
#5 John on 2008-08-13 13:14 (Reply)
I also wanted to buy a Kindle but it appears not to be available in the UK
The Bebook site suggests you can buy it but as this is only thru Paypal who appear not to accept credit cards for this item it is also impossible to buy.The only listed distributer i can find has no stock and no waiting list.
I have to stick with paper backs for the time being
#6 Sipko Huismans on 2008-08-14 12:43 (Reply)
I noticed that you find the .chm format reader buggy. This is a concern for me in that I read some chm.

Do you know if they are aware of the issue and are planning on fixing it.

What about firmware downloads?

Thanks for the review.

G
#7 garth on 2008-08-14 15:28 (Reply)
Firmware is made available on the BeBook website,it's a simple case of downloading it, putting it on an D card, and rebooting whilst holding down a button. Apparently the device is almost impossible to break during firmware uploads (years ago, it used to be something that could go horribly horribly wrong - but not anymore!).

As for CHM - it's not so great. Having googled there appears to be ways to convert from CHM to PDF, perhaps that's an option. CHMs are not typically used for ebooks, so I'm not sure it's a huge priority, although I imagine it won't be completely ignored.

There will also be un-official firmware available for the bebook which geeks might want to use, which quite possibly will support CHM better - but that will take time. For an example of what I'm talking about google for 'open inkpot'
#7.1 Ian P. Christian (Homepage) on 2008-08-15 09:13 (Reply)
http://www.processtext.com/abcchm.html may be useful for those with CHM files
#7.1.1 Simon Dick on 2008-08-15 09:32 (Reply)
Thanks for the review, been sitting on the fence with regards to buying one. Their (bebook) referral scheme looks quite good, rewarding both parties. But now having seen wifi is imminent not sure if I should wait for that!
#8 Gary (Homepage) on 2008-08-14 17:01 (Reply)
I imagine the device will not come with wireless, but rather the new firmware releases (released via the offical site) will support a list of MMC based wireless cards - I could be wrong about this though.

If I am right, it means theres not point waiting for wireless to be supported, as it will work once it's realsed :-)
#8.1 Ian P. Christian (Homepage) on 2008-08-14 17:11 (Reply)
Are there actually any SD WiFi cards still being made? I remember I used to have a sandisk SD/512mb ram one, but think they're not produced anymore.

Anyway, there's definitely no MMC wifi cards :-)
#8.1.1 Simon Dick on 2008-08-14 17:14 (Reply)
I was of course talking complete nonsense about MMC - and actually mean SD :-)

There are still SD wireless cards for sale, at least... on amazon.

Thanks for the correction!
#8.1.1.1 Ian P. Christian (Homepage) on 2008-08-14 17:21 (Reply)
Hello Ian: could you please clarify for a non-technophile your comments on 14/8. If I buy now will I be able to 'upgrade' to wifi when available?

Thanks
#8.1.1.1.1 Rob on 2008-08-16 19:01 (Reply)
I e-mailed them asking about the new bebook and according to them it will be a new device supporting wifi. Also it will have a slightly better screen and support RSS feeds. There will be a prize difference, but at this stage they couldn't say how big. It's supposed to be available in December.

I would really like some more details about this new device before I decide to get the current bebook :-P
#8.1.1.1.1.1 Logge on 2008-08-18 16:39 (Reply)
This is correct - I was completly wrong about the wireless being an upgrade, it will actaully be a seperate device. This device isn't imminent though, it's a few months of at least I think. Personally I bought the ebook reader with the understanding that in 12 months time, I'll probably want to replace it due to better things being out there, so I'm not that disapointed by the lack of wireless. Wireless will seriously shorten the lifetime of the battery, and other then automatic RSS updates every morning, I don't see a huge advantage in it. Plugging in isn't that hard to do!
#8.1.1.1.1.1.1 Ian P. Christian (Homepage) on 2008-08-19 11:29 (Reply)
How buggy is CHM reading?

If it is unusable then I may wait on this.

G
#9 garth on 2008-08-14 21:12 (Reply)
Ian hi - I have received by Bebook today! Sadly not working too well on the old laptop! As the only other person I have come across with such a device please may I ask - if it says "Windows does not recognise your device" and "A USB device you have plugged in has malfunctioned" does this sound a bit worrying/unusual??? Help!!
#10 Marion on 2008-08-14 21:17 (Reply)
This problem was solved by Marion during private email exchange - she found it was just a dodgy cable!
#10.1 Ian P. Christian (Homepage) on 2008-08-15 09:07 (Reply)
I am a 64 yr old woman who loves to read novels, regencies, detec & fantasy but finds that our small bungalow is running out of corners for paperbacks which aren't much welcome at charity stores now... So an ereader sounded a great idea - I am prepared to save up for one but when confronted with the frase 'bebooks doesn't yet intergrate with a ebook distributor' - while all you lot above seem to be filling up your readers with lots of books... I don't know what to think. Also you all speak of various methods of incription that also throws me into panic... Its the sort of thing that will make people who use computers but don't 'understand' them or the tecnicalities go for the ease of Sony tie ins. I have imported chapters from an on-line publisher (not Amazon) onto our PC but can\could the BEBOOK do that?
Please - I need help!!!! There is a big market out there for the devise if it didn't scare us so!
Angela
#11 Angela Martin on 2008-08-20 13:36 (Reply)

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